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b-knox
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 Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2007 4:34 pm Post subject: notes on Breakcore |
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a video
was just wondering if any of you had already seen this
i hadn't
how did i forget hrvatski's name?
and I am glad to have some kind of story, much more entertaining then that AmenBreak doc
also glad to know that once you get the business end of things out of the way (like Venetian Snares) you will still be a down to earth artist and not a pretentious twit =p |
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eatcats
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| Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2007 9:06 pm Post subject: |
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that video is almost as cool as this video..
but seriously.. what DO people think of this?
I think:
thank you for making everyone hold the giant microphone. also, i'm glad that for jason forest, a good rock show is a chubby white guy flailing his arms around in front of a computer.. Generally it seems like a pretty basic look at a couple ideas.. I think Christoph had the most to say, rather than just talking about himself.. and I don't agree that as adnoiseam guy said, it either has to blow up big like the rave scene or it will die out..
i'm excited about all the quality producers and labels that seem to be really pushing things here in the US. I wonder how things HERE relate to people's perspectives and experiences in europe.. |
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eatcats
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| Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2007 9:25 pm Post subject: |
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| also, why make a documentary about a genre if part of the "note" you're trying to make is about it not being a genre? |
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Static
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| Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2007 10:25 pm Post subject: |
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I agree with you heather, and I have a little more venom to add.
I hated this. I'm not sure where to start, but in short: if what they're saying in this video is true, and that's all there is to breakbeat hardcore, then we're all fucked, and should probably find something else to do.
Besides Christoph there wasn't any useful information or critique.
Most of the interviews seemed drunk/arrogant/apathetic. It makes me think of a reel from a video dating service or something. |
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| Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 12:20 am Post subject: |
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| honestly i thought this video was terrible and should not have been made. it really misses most if not all the main ideas of 'breakcore' but also misrepresents what the actual music known as 'breakcore' was/is, and does contain hardly any of the major musicians or labels that explore these ideas/music. unfortunately it's not even funny to watch so much as just depressing, very counter productive to the spread or evolution of the combination of punk, techno, industrial, jungle aesthetics ... makes breakcore look like a bunch of goofballs making goofy music. |
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| Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 12:28 am Post subject: |
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why thank you heather was was certainly tramatic..
http://www.fromthegut.org/board/viewtopic.php?t=130&highlight=notes+breakcore for some previous discussion of notes on breakcore.
as far as europe, i get the feeling that they do not pay too much attention or give much credence to their counterparts here, since in general the euro underground (even despite current setbacks) is far more resourced that we are. however one thing that cool, is that we can watch all the problems they run into and then hopefully not repeat it here... like just skip that part where everyone turns into a clown. maybe...... |
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charlie
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| Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 6:34 am Post subject: |
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| john showed it too me the other day and it just made me hate breakcore even more. |
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b-knox
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| Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 5:01 pm Post subject: |
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maybe it's not a genre -- maybe it's an art movement -- like post-post-beat
it kind of makes me chuckle that they try to defy definition
because when you hear breakcore it has those characteristics of breakcore
whether they use renoise or max/msp
another underground quasi-semi-political musical movement like punk except now you don't even need to work as a team to create music
creating community by being alienating
if letting their art get popular is such a bad idea then maybe they should work in a factory
i quit my job today and am so excited =D |
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eatcats
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| Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 7:19 pm Post subject: |
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what are the main ideas of "breakcore"? are these the same for everyone? should they be?
it's funny it didn't make me that mad for some reason it all just seemed really obvious to me.. standard, very standard.
I like the idea of an movement in music that is about making whatever music rather than genre-fying everthing. As we have talked about in other spots.. genre is really defined in electronic music, often unnecessarily.. donna summer is a jackass and just because he thinks of himself as a one man band doesn't mean other people aren't collaborating.. being alienating doesn't create the community, people feel alienated and find a place where they feel less so?
selling art is one thing but codifying it and genre-fying it into a consumable package is another.. not to be a total LAME-0 but you know, working from the gut and with integrity.. that's a universal idea .. |
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| Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 7:52 pm Post subject: |
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| eatcats wrote: | what are the main ideas of "breakcore"? are these the same for everyone? should they be?
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good point. i definately don't mean to say that i know about some main ideas or something. what i meant by that i guess was more along lines of - the video represents one specific viewpoint while missing a lot of other opinions and angles that people are/were working on. |
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vasculator
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| Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 7:55 pm Post subject: |
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| eatcats wrote: |
being alienating doesn't create the community, people feel alienated and find a place where they feel less so?
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my experience is kind of like this. i used to make a lot of techno w/ a crew here and was always making the kind of 'too out there' shit in at least one person's eyes. it was non-verbally accepted that everything should sound like X. it was -insanely- freeing when i dropped all that and decided to do whatever the hell i wanted. i'd always had a few projects going at once, but i was really focused on this one. no regrets of course it was a lot of fun. i learned a ton and most all of the people i'm still really good friends with.
but yeah...after all that i definitely found a group of people who were more like-minded and support the shit out of what i'm doing while constantly pushing me. i don't even question supporting them as much as possible when i can help. it just feels worlds different and is inspiring in itself. |
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Static
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| Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 9:32 pm Post subject: |
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If any of what b-knox said was explicitly in the video it would have been a hell of a lot better.
I really can't imagine putting a lot of time and effort into any music other than what I want to make.
I'm lying, I've totally been there. Pretty interesting, actually.
There's a few people out there with the breakcore formulas, right?
Maybe this video did something to my head, but what I'd consider "breakcore" is now a very specific sound, coming from people like Bong-Ra and this Wrong records thing.
and Jason Forest isn't a damn band.
there are however some cool things about cock rock disco, like, maybe all of their producers aren't all super slick. Stunt rock sounds like shit. could that be a good thing? I don't know. |
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nyarlathotep
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| Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 9:49 pm Post subject: |
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To be honest, because I aer n00b, I at first considered breakcore to be all the somewhat silly type of stuff, like shitmat and what have you. The bits of the video I saw, confirmed those ideas.
| Quote: | | I like the idea of an movement in music that is about making whatever music rather than genre-fying everthing. |
That's pretty much been my attitude for a while now too. The video more or less for me seemed like something that you'd see put together for any other style of electronic music. Get a bunch of people who perform in some way in that style of music, and watch them inflate their own egos in front of a camera for a bit, while trying to tell people who are perhaps new to the style even what it's all about.
and everything Vsnares said that I saw made me want to punch him all the more. |
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vasculator
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| Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 11:58 pm Post subject: |
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| Johnny Static wrote: |
I really can't imagine putting a lot of time and effort into any music other than what I want to make.
I'm lying, I've totally been there. Pretty interesting, actually.
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yeah i do like that middle ground collaboration to form hybrids. you can learn a lot but after a while you realize someone's parameters and can either hang or not. |
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blaerg
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| Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 4:36 am Post subject: |
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| breakcore = anything related to fast computer beats. done. close thread. |
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